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breaking news tonight in the mystery surrounding the sudden death of music icon, michael jackson. it intensifies as questions mount on his sudden death. his $500 million empire, and more important, custody of the star's three little children. bombshell tonight. murder charges in the death of jackson. jackson's family publicly revealing their claim music icon michael jackson was murdered. tonight, has jackson's embalmed body been moved during the night? the body's exact location is a mystery. this as sources claim a secret custody deal in the works.
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but, is that deal in the best interests of jackson's three children? we learn bio mom debbie rowe agrees not to fight for custody. but what's the payoff? in a stunning twist, father joe jackson reportedly set to force jackson's children on the stage under the name the jackson 3. sending them on the road for world tour next year. this, after jackson revealing physical abuse, beatings at the hand of his own father, joe jackson, always keeping his own three children far, far away. father joe says he, himself, will raise jackson's children and now put them on the stage. has jackson's worst nightmare come true? after we learn jackson's body
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was hidden in a crypt, many question, how do you lose a gold-bedecked promethean casket with 20 helicopters hovering and thousands watching the casket exit an arena? was the body ever in the casket or was it smuggled out through a secret underground tunnel to an unmarked van while fans mob a black hearse seemingly bearing the body? we can confirm a portion of jackson's brain, missing from the body, withheld for testing. jackson family infighting boils over. father joe and the jackson brothers pushing ahead with burial in the backyard of neverland for a graceland-like michael jackson burial theme park. a second autopsy discovered four fresh needle tracks in jackson's neck. that's right, his neck. other veins riddled with track marks, many actually collapsing from iv use.
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jackson's skin, paper white. white as a t-shirt. his bald head matching. his body emaciated. all in direct contrast to private video of a full dress rehearsal, hours before the death. drugs found in the home. drugs banned for consumer use. only found behind locked doors in the operating room. jackson reportedly ingesting up to 10,000 pills in six months, including a reported 40 xanax a night. the lapd chief mulling criminal charges, who drugged an addict who happened to be a superstar? as vultures circle jackson's dead body. the fate of his three children unknown. >> we have a gentleman here that needs help and he's not breathing. >> alarming new accusations from michael jackson's sister saying he was murdered and his death a
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conspiracy. two british newspapers quoting la toya jackson as saying she believes a shadowy entourage gave her brother drugs that led to his tragic death. >> prominent members of the family including la toya are going very public with their belief that michael jackson's death had some foul play involved. la toya jackson never mentioned who she thought was behind michael jackson's death. she implied to another newspaper the family knows the result of the second private autopsy for michael jackson, the one that they ordered. and she says, "i think everyone will be surprised when the results come out." >> are you ready to fight for your kids, debbie? >> are you ready to fight for your children? >> don't touch me. >> jackson's ex-wife and his mother katherine are talking behind closed doors. >> don't touch me. >> nobody touched you here. >> you just did. don't. >> he expects debbie rowe to go for custody. he says the fact that joe
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jackson, michael jackson's father, is talking about helping raise the children, is really a problem for her since michael jackson had a terrible relationship with his father. >> we the parents. we got other kids at their side. they love those kids and we love those kids too. we're going to take care of them and give them the education they're supposed to have. we can do that. tonight, breaking news, a beloved couple with 16 children. repeat, 16 children. 12 of them adopted. many of them special needs, handicapped. murdered in their own home. part of it caught on video. we have the video. the suspects in full ninja garb invade the home with military precision. tonight, who gunned down this beautiful couple, leaving 16 children orphaned.
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detectives say byrd and melody billings were found shot dead in their home. >> they suffered multiple gunshot wounds. >> why anyone would want to kill the billings -- a couple known for their adoption of a dozen children, many with special needs. >> as many as nine kids were in the home when the couple was killed. >> i think you'll find this particularly chill and here's why. we have a team that enters the front of the home and a team that enters the back of the home. >> they were all dressed in black. all have masks on. >> dressed in ninja black barb, come through the wooded area and enter the billings home from the north side. >> two men, leonard gonzalez jr. and wayne coldiron, are the first to be arrested and accused in the brutal double murders. authorities say expect more. >> the total number of people we are looking for that are involved in the deaths of the
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billings family is six to eight. >> gonzalez's father, leonard, sr., is in jail on evidence tampering charge. attempted to conceal damage and paint this old red van. identified as the vehicle used in the billings break-in. >> at first, authorities were calling it a home invasion. >> it's going to be a humdinger. >> now they say the crime appears to be a lot more complex. >> the more we delve into this and work the case, the different avenues that it would go down. >> robbery is one motive now. >> no matter where the case turns, it remains a sensely tragedy. good evening, i'm nancy grace. i want to thank you for being with us. the mysteries surrounding the sudden death of music superstar michael jackson intensify. >> i have a lot of concerns. >> what is your concern? >> i can't get into that. i don't like what happened. >> joe jackson had voiced suspicion previously.
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in the days just after michael's death, jackson's sister la toya is going even further than her father. telling two british newspapers she believes michael jackson was murdered. la toya jackson told "the daily mail" her brother was worth more than $1 million and said, "he was surrounded by people who didn't have his best interests at heart, and he was worth more dead than alive." >> are you ready to fight for your children? >> are you ready to get your butt kicked? >> a friend of debbie rowe's, he said she is not going to just lay down and roll over, he said. maybe they are trying to come to an agreement out of court, out of the public eye. and that's why this hearing has been delayed. we have to wait to see if it gets ugly. >> she had said things, quoting here, i did it for him to become a father, not for me to become a mother. she said when asked what would happen to the kids if michael should die, "i'm sure he has a wonderful person in mind to take care of them." >> she's still the biological mother. she could have a change of heart and try to position herself as saying, michael was a great
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father, he's gone, i want to step into their lives. >> don't [ bleep ]ing touch me. >> are you willing to take a cash settlement for the kids? how important are the kids to you, debbie? >> she basically sold them for $8.5 million. >> bom she will charges leveled tonight. charges that michael jackson was murdered. out to paul, our producer in l.a., paul, what can you tell us? >> i can tell you this on background. latoya jackson sat down for four hours with this reporter last thursday and began discussing what she thought was, quote, the murder of michael jackson. she was pressed hard. that's a very strong term, obviously, nancy, as you know it. she said, yes, i want to say i believe my brother was, quote, murdered. she went on to say there was a shadowy entourage she believes was involved in all of this. she also said her brother was worth more than $1 billion.
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there was a group of people who watched michael jackson. i guess what la toya is implying is not only did they turn a blind eye to drug abuse going on, but might be enabling michael jackson. >> murder charges being leveled? explain. >> i don't understand what the motive would be. to montana murder michael jackson. if this is a short term thing, the million dollars la toya is referring to is not how much michael was worth, it was about what he kept around in cash. she was wondering where the money is. the jewels and so forth. he died, all of a sudden this stuff is missing. i don't think we're going to find there was murder here. as far as people enabling him, no question. but michael let people enable him. anybody who wouldn't give him what he wanted to have in the way of drugs or whatever were suddenly gone. we know that. michael changed entourages over and over and over and over again. >> out to eleanor dixon, felony prosecutor. who has handled many, many death penalty prosecutions.
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eleanor, everyone is pooh-poohing the charges of la toya jackson. isn't it true that while the lapd chief is mulling criminal charges, someone is responsible for four fresh track marks in michael jackson's neck. now, eleanor, please, don't humor us by suggesting jackson himself shot himself up in the neck. >> that would be extremely difficult to do, especially if it's the diprivan that's only allowed in the o.r. there could be something given to michael jackson by another person, could be murder. >> here is my next question. eleanor, again, a lot of people think that that will never happen in this case. if someone, in fact, did give him a lethal dose of whatever drug, whether it's still in his system at the time of autopsy, now two autopsies, we learned from the second autopsy about the fresh needle tracks in his neck, that may equate to malice murder.
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when you give somebody a shot in the neck or four shots in the neck of a potentially lethal prescription drug given in that amount. >> exactly. if you are giving him an overdose, it leads to a murder charge if he dies.
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dr. murray prescribed things to michael jackson. as a doctor, you know. he had medical conditions, medical complaints. >> michael jackson demanded that. >> he demanded. >> i said michael, you're spending too much money. doesn't make sense. he goes, you don't understand. my body is the machine that fuels this business. okay? i need that kind of attention. and you know what? when michael jackson says that to you and there's this much at
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stake, you don't argue. >> there's nothing in his history, nothing that dr. murray knew, that would lead him to believe he would go into sudden cardiac arrest or respiratory failure. it's still a mystery how he died, to dr. murray. >> as anyone would know. we're extremely grateful for all the support. we love you all. >> we love you! >> you're not alone! >> i just wanted to let you know that you have been very, very supportive and as you well know, michael loved his fans more than anything else. he has always said that his family is first and his fans are second. i know he's happy you are here supporting him. and he's watching every last one
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of you. i just want to thank you all for being here for him. he loves you very, very much. thank you. >> i just want to say -- [ applause ] thank you for all of your letters, all of your support. michael will forever live in all of our hearts. thank you so much. >> you are seeing video from tmz.com. that's michael jackson's sisters speaking to all of his many fans at his memorial at the nokia theater there in l.a. we are taking your calls live tonight. stunning charges are leveled that michael jackson was murdered. yes, there is a legal leg to stand on. straight out to the lines, patty in florida. hi, patty. >> caller: hello, nancy.
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i was wondering if michael had a hep-lock or pick line. a hep-lock is an iv catheter that stays in the veins up to 72 hours. then a pick line can be left in there for several months. so he could have infused himself. >> to mike walker, senior editor with "the national enquirer." any word about that? i guess we wouldn't know until we actually look at the autopsy report. >> i had word of this just about a week ago but it wasn't sufficient for me to actually publish it. i believe my source but i needed much more to actually publish it. i will tell you that, yes, i have heard this, that he had one put, you know, under his skin. and that way you can just very quickly hook yourself up. we know michael's been doing drugs intravenously for more than a decade so it's possible. >> it was stunning to me, ellie jostad, our producer, la toya
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describes the scene, when she went into the room where michael jackson allegedly passed away. what did she say she observed? >> she said she saw oxygen masks on the floor and oxygen tanks in the house. not only in the room but several locations in the house. she also described seeing empty pill bottles, pill boxes and medical equipment in the home. >> it's my understanding that she also revealed the children were not allowed in the room when the doctor was giving daddy his oxygen and none of the staff were allowed on that level of the mansion. >> right. that's another claim latoya is making. she also claims the doctor performed cpr on michael jackson in his, meaning the doctor's room, not in michael jackson's room as we'd heard previously. but the doctor says that is absolutely not true, he doesn't know where la toya got that information. >> out to natisha lance, our producer standing by there in l.a. there was to be a big courtroom showdown. there were a lot of no-shows. why was it postponed?
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>> that's right, nancy. attorneys for the jacksons and an attorney for debbie rowe said that they wanted to come together to try to reach some amicable understanding about what to do with the children in terms of debbie rowe. so reportedly what is going to happen that is debbie rowe will get supervised visitation of the children. also the children will not be referring to her as mother, but they will be calling her "miss debbie." however, we still have this hearing that is coming up on the 20th where we are expecting debbie rowe to be in court. >> out to the lawyers, let's unleash them. eleanor dixson, mickey sherman, renowned defense attorney, joining us out of new york, author of "how can you defend those people." and peter odom, veteran troil lawyer, also joining us out of atlanta. to you, mickey sherman. i'm sure giving up her rights, to fight for custody, is not coming at a small price. i'm talking about debbie rowe. >> she made a bundle when she
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basically sold the kids back then. the feeling i get from the information that's out there is she's here now not just to pick up the check but apparently she has a very legitimate -- apparently legitimate fear her children or these children will be somehow victimized by joe jackson, as was michael jackson and his siblings. unsustaining that i see is that she just wants to make sure they don't wind up like michael jackson, at the mercy of joe jackson's belt. >> she's claiming concern, but at the same time, hearing reports grandfather joe jackson plans to launch them on stage as the jackson 3. wasn't it you, last week, peter, saying how everything would work out fine if katherine jackson, the grandmother, had the children, that she would not allow interference with joe jackson? >> well, i think that nancy -- >> yeah, that was you. >> i don't remember saying that, but nancy, you know what? if kathrine has the children,
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there's always the chance joe jackson is going to have access and nothing the court can do about that.
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ever since i was born, daddy has been the best father you could ever imagine. and i just want to say, i love him so much. >> that was little paris, just 11 years old, at her father's memorial. apparently, we learned that she put in his casket a necklace, wrapped around his hand, and had
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multicolored stones that she put around his head and shoulders like a garland in the casket. when she was taken to see his body. back out to ellie jostad. we are hearing about a second autopsy. why was there a second autopsy? who asked for the second autopsy? do we know anything in the second autopsy, other than fresh track marks on his neck? >> well, la toya jackson tells this british tabloid she is the one who asked for the second autopsy, because she was concerned about the circumstances of her brother's death. she wouldn't reveal what that autopsy reveals. but she did say it is going to be a shocker. that there are bombshells in that second autopsy. >> to brian oxman, family friend of the jackson's, host of "insight" on news radio klaa. brian, do you know what's in the second autopsy? what's the bombshell? >> don't know what the bombshell is. they've kept that a closely
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guarded secret. i do know that it is consistent with what the coroner did at the l.a. coroner's office. you aren't going to have contradictions. the purpose was to get information quick to the family and it accomplished that purpose. ♪
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this is the day michael jackson's "this is it" tour was supposed to kick off in london. ♪ >> some of the last images recorded of michael jackson performing, two days before he died. a full-length dress rehearsal for his upcoming show. >> he was very energetic, he was happy. he was more playful than normal at rehearsal. >> we have a gentleman here who needs help. he's not breathing. he's not breathing. >> michael jackson's a very frail man, he was very thin. very small. >> he had a glow about him. his shoulders back, his head up. he just -- he looked great, he sounded great.
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he had a triumphant feel about him. >> he's 50 years old, sir. >> 50, okay. he's unconscious, he's not breathing? >> yes, he's not breathing, sir. >> as for jackson's body, a source involved with the investigation describe the it as "lily white from head to toe." the body was emaciated. despite the vigor he showed on stage during the final rehearsal. just 36 hours earlier. ♪ >> all i know is the michael jackson that hugged me and said good night was a healthy, vibrant human being about to undertake the greatest undertaking of his life. >> mike walker, the location of his body, shrouded in mystery all this time. i understand it has been secretly moved. from there reserve where to where? >> well, it's secretly moved to the basement of forest lawn. it was previously upstairs or outside in berry gordy's crypt. when that news came out, all the
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looky lous were out there. the people at the cemetery were removing the bs or gs, anything showing it was berry gordy's crypt. they realized it was out of control. they have places to keep bodies, refrigerators and so forth. at forest lawn. >> everyone, we are taking your calls. live out to annie in california. hi, annie. >> caller: hi, nancy. i have a question. it's apparent he was an addict with drugs. which, you know, a lot of people are. my question is, after the police department, you know, released the house and people went in and apparently, i guess they were taking things out. could anybody have put anything in there to make it look more like, you know, somebody else did this to him, so that he died more of a tragedy than the super pop icon that was a drug addict? >> hmm. what about that. to john lose sick, president of high-tech crime network. the likelihood that someone planted things there on the scene. >> when you have a crime scene or a potential crime scene that's not protected and locked
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down, that kind of thing can happen. even if it doesn't happen, someone can make the case it might have happened to taint any type of future prosecution. those cops should have locked it down until they were done with it. >> you're right. they towed away the doctor's car but they did not cordon off the home at all. people were still going in and out at free will. what can you tell me, brian oxman, about $1 million worth of money and jewels now missing from the home? >> la toya is usually pretty accurate in these things, nancy. she talked to michael a great deal. she was very confidential with him. and so she would have known these things. michael was known to have money on the premises. how much, no one knew. if he told her that amount, i believe her. because i think la toya is right on the bean here. she's accurate. she's smart. when she says there's something amiss here, you better believe it.
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i've been talking to her about this same subject matter for two years and she's been consistent the whole time. >> to dr. gerald figan, medical examiner joining us out of philadelphia. the fresh track marks on his neck, doctor. what does that say to you? could those have been self-injected? >> i have never seen self-injected there. sometimes during resuscitation, emts or paramedics can do them. you'll have to check with the records to see what was done. during my training in detroit, people used to pay others to do those injection sites. in over 20 years of work, i've never seen anybody self-inject in the neck veins. >> where on the neck do you inject? >> the external jugular would be the most common place. >> could you show us. >> roughly here where i'm pointing above my collar, sometimes below if it's loosened. those are the only areas i have seen injected. often you'll see that with resuscitation.
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you have to be careful not to mix what happens during resuscitation to what happened before then. >> there were injection marks directly into his heart during the resuscitation efforts. you're right, we have to see what the paramedics did to bring him back to life. to dr. janet taylor, md and psychiatrist joining us out of new york. doctor, we just heard someone state that michael jackson allowed or encouraged the enablers. in other words, basically laying all the fault on jackson. what do you think of that? >> he paid them. they are on his payroll. clearly this has been going on for many, many years. a lot of people around him, family included, dropped the ball trying to get an intervention. knowing how difficult it was. hindsight is 20/20. now, we are pointing fingers and in fact, we've been watching the demise. >> to brad lamm, board registered interventionist at changesomeoneyoulove.com. brad, thank you for being with us. >> thank you, nancy. >> what do you make of all this
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talk he encouraged the enablers. now there's a lot of finger-pointing. we heard that he had body guards keep them away and wouldn't take calls from his 79-year-old mother. but brad, you're the expert. other people have interventions and the target never wants to have an intervention. >> yeah, if they would say yes, i wouldn't have a vibrant practice. >> that's why you call it an intervention. >> well, they did a few things, it seems like, that weren't the best-case scenarios. i think we're seeing now too everybody trying to make sense of what happened. la toya saying maybe it was murder. >> she's saying it was murder. brad, less than a month before his death, there was a 60th wedding anniversary celebration at jackson's favorite indian restaurant. they were all there. there was the perfect time to grab him and have an intervention. >> well, and i agree. here's an interesting fact. i know you love facts. it takes the average family seven years to build consensus on what to do.
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and in fact, thanks to you, i'm doing seminars in california the next couple of days so families can learn how to step in and actually help change someone they love who's in crisis. >> ellie, who is she saying killed jackson? >> she's not specific about who she believes is responsible for this conspiracy to kill michael jackson for his money. she refers to his shadowy people around him. entourage, hangers-on. she doesn't name names. >> on to the lines. doris in delaware. hi, doris. >> caller: hi, how are you? >> i'm good. what's your question? >> caller: i have a two-part question. number one is, when the will originally came out, my question is, if michael was on all of these drugs and everything like everybody is saying that he was, isn't there a possibility he could have been under medication when he was signing that will and the second part is, is it a possibility this doctor, when they found needle marks on michael's neck, could have injected him with medicine
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right before he woke true that the diprivan? >> i think anything is possible when it comes to the marks on his necks. i think anything is possible. regarding the will, he obviously was under the influence of drugs. i looked at a copy of the will, myself, doris in delaware, he not only signed it and it is his signature -- you can compare it to his signature for years preceding. it's his signature. he also initialled every single paragraph. now, very quickly out to you, mickey and peter. to you first, peter odom. we now have a self-authenticating will, which basically you go on and you add in, i am of sound mind and body and i've got witnesses to say i'm in sound mind and body when i sign this will, so don't claim i was crazy or doped up when you try to contest the will.
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this most likely is a self-authenticating will. >> right. in california, there are specific requirements about witnessing the will. there's a presumption if it's properly witnessed and authenticated it's correct. it's going to be the burden of somebody else to come forward and say, he was not of sound mind, he was hallucinating. so far, no one's come forward to say that. >> mickey sherman, the autopsy comes out friday. do you think there might be a third autopsy? >> there could be. it's going to show there was a surplus of bad things in this man's body. if i could go back to latoya jackson's accusation, there's no way anybody murdered michael jackson here. i think what she meant is rhetorical, that they allowed him to die by virtue of all the garbage that was in his veins, that the people close to him allowed to happen. >> mickey, there you go. making excuses for somebody shooting him up. he did not stick four needles in his own neck. >> he wasn't murdered. quickly to tonight's safety tips, everybody. 33% of students grade five to 12
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new developments in the brutal murders of a married couple known for their giving nature and known for adopted special needs children. >> they were found shot dead in their home on thursday. and we've learned as many as nine kids were in the home when they were killed. >> investigators won't say if anything was taken from the house or what kind of weapon was used.
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approximate but the men who did this worked so quickly, authorities believe they have some kind of experience. >> three men are behind bars in the panhandle of florida in connection of the murder of a couple known for adopting special needs kids. >> they said all along to expect more arrests in this case. >> they started looking at three persons of interest. based on what they saw in the surveillance video from inside the couple's home. >> we identified the mastermind of the operation. the individuals that are associated with him during the days leading up to the crime. we have a team that enters the front of the home. and we have a team that enters the back of the home. >> the billings were shot to death in what authorities call a home invasion. but now it appears to be much more. >> out to clark goldband. how would you like to look out your kitchen window and see several adult males coming across your yard, dressed in full ninja garb. that's what happened to this
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couple, apparently. >> i certainly wouldn't. 16 children the billings were parents of. 12 were adopted with special needs. thursday, a very scary attack unfolding. up to eight men involved wearing, quote, ninja garb, attacked the home from two sides of the house with paramilitary-like precision. both parents, mom and dad, shot dead in their bedroom. up to three children are believed to have seen the attack. >> out to a special guest joining us tonight, t.j. hart. he's joining from us gainesville, florida. he's the program and news director, wsky 97.3. t.j., it's great to talk to you again. this is almost unfathomable. all these people plan with military-like precision to invade the home all in their ninja outfits, to kill this couple? >> it's just crazy.
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they're still trying to figure out what a motive is. could it be robbery? that's one of the motives. police say there's probably something else behind it. but they're saying the family so is well-known in the community. and in fact, mr. byrd owns quite a few businesses which allowed he and his wife to take care of these special needs kids. some of these involve some financial places and also some used car dealerships. so what this might have to do with family relations, with business ties, still remains unknown at this time. >> with me also another special best joining us. the public information officer sergeant ted roy joining us from florida. sergeant, thank you for taking time out. i know you have a press conference coming up. thank you for speaking with us. sergeant, all these children, now orphaned. 16 children, many of them handicapped. if they planned this so well, right down to their outfits they were going to wear when they
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broke in, wouldn't you think they would break in when nobody was home if it was just a burglary? >> yeah, we would think so. they used military precision. but if they were military, you know -- military precision, they would have known there would have been camera surveillance and stuff like that, more people in the house. we don't want to give them too much credit. >> you're so right. you're so right. it strikes me with all their dressing up to play the part, they had not researched it well at all. is that their vehicle we see driving across the lawn, an orange type truck or suv or van? >> none of them were the owners of it. they did borrow it. then again, that's pretty easy to recognize, which helped us find it. there again is another mistake they made. >> where are the children tonight? what are their ages, sergeant? >> they range from 8 years old.
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some are up in their 20s now. four of them have their own children. they are with other family members now. >> so, sergeant, they opened their hearts and adopted 12 children, most of them handicapped, because they had the where withal to do that. you are seeing photo of the children, 12 of them adopted. some of them came from homes of drug abuse and sexually abusive parents. they have developmental disabilities now. they are all orphaned. some of them in wheelchairs. eleanor, it's not fitting together for me. usually, at this point, when you and i see the facts of a case, we can almost immediately figure out what happened. i don't get it. >> well, it's hard to get. you have to know, they weren't that smart. they did plan it. they have the outfits. there's a reason they broke in. maybe robbery was the motive.
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this looks like a death penalty case to me. you've got two people who have been killed. shot down in cold blood in front of their own children. how much more heartless could they have been? >> it was broad daylight. what a bunch of idiots. out to the lines. robbie in oklahoma. how, robbie. >> caller: hi, nancy. i love you. i can't believe i'm on the air. >> thank you for watching and calling in. what i want tonight is the rest of this bunch behind bars. what's your question, dear? >> caller: my question is to follow the money. i'm just wondering, since it's a wealthy couple, did they have a business partner who might, you know, get some kind of money from the death of this family? >> interesting. out to sergeant ted roy. was he partnered up to anyone in his many businesses? >> no, we don't believe the businesses really have anything
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to do with it. but i will tell you this. we're having that press conference at 8:30. we're going to announce very good news. >> out to dr. janet taylor. not only an m.d. but a psychiatrist as well. when anybody goes through the loss of a loved one that's sudden or unexpected, especially such as a murderer. it's devastating. i know. i went through it myself at a young age. but these children, what will this do to them? they already have all of these disabilities? >> you're right, nancy. your heart breaks for them. you don't want to break them up as a family unit. they've been traumatized before and they're traumatized afterward. the hope is they can stay together and get the support they need. >> we have a response to eleanor dickson's opinion, it's death-penalty qualified? what about it, odom? >> now's not the time to act emotionally. as sad and tragic and horrible as this is, now's the time to let the investigators do their
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work and figure out who the perpetrators are and then look at the legalities of it. all these people at this point are presumed innocent. >> well, that goes without saying. >> i'll step up to the plate. i'm against the death penalty. if these guys don't get the death penalty, then who gets it?
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a beautiful couple that had 16 children. 12 of them adopted with many of them developmentally handicapped. now dead. the children all orphaned. tonight, we want answers. to carrie in texas, what's your question, dear? >> caller: i have boy/girl twins that will be 7 next month. bless your heart. my little girl is special needs and i was wondering, we have our will and everything taken care of. but since these kids were
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adopted, do they know if any of the people that are of interest, or whatever that they're looking at, if any of them could possibly be relate today any of these kids? >> sergeant roy, i'm sure that you have already investigated a link between the children and the killers? >> yes, ma'am. and there's none that we know of. >> no link that you know of. weigh in, john lucich, what now? i believe i've got john on the phone. john, what would your next step be? >> what i believe happened is these people had inside information. these next people who you see that get arrested is going to be a guy who actually marked this family because when they went through that house so rapidly, they had to have inside information. they came dressed in ninja garb because they don't want the cameras to see them and they didn't want the rest of their bodies to be detected. let's stop and remember sergeant first class greg sutton. 38, from oklahoma. killed in iraq.
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volunteered for a second tour to allow a fellow soldier to retire. awarded the bronze star and purple heart. served as a casualty assistant officer. loved giving candy to iraqi children and leaves behind his wife, joanne, four children, a mother and one sister. greg sutton. american hero. good night from special friends of the show, dan, parker and cameron, all honor students. thank you to all of our guests but especially to you for being with us. i'll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp eastern. and until then, good night, and until then, good night, friend. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com hello. i'm ashleigh banfield in for
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a.j. hammer. and this is a "showbiz tonight" nudes news break. here's some of what we're covering for you on "showbiz tonight" at the top of the hour. was michael jackson's death a homicide? tonight, brand-new explosive allegations from michael's family. plus the custody battle over michael's children. why was a hearing with jackson's mom and debbie rowe mysteriously canceled? tonight, "showbiz tonight" has all the late-breaking developments. also jon minus kate plus one date. wait until you hear this. jon gosselin is actually dating the daughter of the guy who did kate's tummy tuck. and levi johnston speaks out about sarah palin. the father of palin's grandchild can't seem to keep his mouth shut. he says he knows why palin is quitting her job as governor. tv's most provocative entertainment news show starts right here at the top of the hour.
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